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#1 Vincent

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Inviato 26 January 2017 - 15:51

Premessa. QUESTA DISCUSSIONE VALE PER CHI HA GIA' VISTO KINGDOM HEARTS X BACK COVER, POICHE' CONTIENE SPOILER DI DIMENSIONI GODZILLESCHE. CHI NON VUOLE ROVINARSI LA TRAMA, PRIMA DI AVERLA VISTA EGLI/ELLA STESSO/A, SI ALLONTANI DA QUESTA DISCUSSIONE. Fine premessa.

Tutti eravamo convinti che il Libro delle Profezie abbia il potere di mostrare i possibili futuri dei mondi e che possa portare in una versione illusoria di quel tempo e di quel mondo. Ma visto l'ultima rivelazione del Maestro dei Maestri, in realtà è EGLI STESSO che ha scritto il libro delle profezie, grazie al suo occhio, incastonato nel Keyblade di Xehanort (nome temporaneo, altri possibili nomi sono Innominato o Occhio che scruta) e a Luxu, incaricato di tramandare il suddetto Keyblade di generazione in generazione, ad alievi meritevoli, così che il Maestro dei Maestri potesse vedere il futuro e scriverlo nel libro. Quindi il vero potere del Libro delle Profezie è quello di generare illusioni di un tempo e di un mondo del futuro (visto che in Kingdom Hearts X i prescelti delle Union possono visitare quei mondi). Ma allora come si fà a prendere la Luce da mondi illusori? Qual'è lo scopo di uccidere dei nemici che non sono altro che delle mere ombre del futuro? Come ha fatto Malefica a rifugiarsi nella versione del libro delle profezie del suo mondo d'origine? A quale scopo? Qualche teoria?


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Inviato 27 January 2017 - 18:43

Premessa. QUESTA DISCUSSIONE VALE PER CHI HA GIA' VISTO KINGDOM HEARTS X BACK COVER, POICHE' CONTIENE SPOILER DI DIMENSIONI GODZILLESCHE. CHI NON VUOLE ROVINARSI LA TRAMA, PRIMA DI AVERLA VISTA EGLI/ELLA STESSO/A, SI ALLONTANI DA QUESTA DISCUSSIONE. Fine premessa.

Tutti eravamo convinti che il Libro delle Profezie abbia il potere di mostrare i possibili futuri dei mondi e che possa portare in una versione illusoria di quel tempo e di quel mondo. Ma visto l'ultima rivelazione del Maestro dei Maestri, in realtà è EGLI STESSO che ha scritto il libro delle profezie, grazie al suo occhio, incastonato nel Keyblade di Xehanort (nome temporaneo, altri possibili nomi sono Innominato o Occhio che scruta) e a Luxu, incaricato di tramandare il suddetto Keyblade di generazione in generazione, ad alievi meritevoli, così che il Maestro dei Maestri potesse vedere il futuro e scriverlo nel libro. Quindi il vero potere del Libro delle Profezie è quello di generare illusioni di un tempo e di un mondo del futuro (visto che in Kingdom Hearts X i prescelti delle Union possono visitare quei mondi). Ma allora come si fà a prendere la Luce da mondi illusori? Qual'è lo scopo di uccidere dei nemici che non sono altro che delle mere ombre del futuro? Come ha fatto Malefica a rifugiarsi nella versione del libro delle profezie del suo mondo d'origine? A quale scopo? Qualche teoria?

Considera che tra BBS e KH1 il numero di Heartless aumenta esponenzialmente, quindi ottenere Lux sfruttando delle illusioni di quel periodo è più facile.

Ti sei praticamente risposto da solo per quanto riguarda la seconda domanda: Raccogliere Lux.

Se ti riferisci al finale segreto di X, non sappiamo praticamente niente.

Potrebbe star creando una nuova armata di Heartless, oppure semplicemente cercando un modo per rafforzarsi lei stessa.


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#3 DAGDA

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Inviato 30 January 2017 - 23:08

Il punto è che ai tempi di back cover, paradossalmente, tutti gli eventi fino a kh3 forse anche, erano già accaduti.

E qualcuno era sempre presente con quell'occhio, in modo da essere connesso col maestro, per questo ha scritto un libro di eventi che già conosceva (più che un libro delle profezie è storiografia), lo afferma lui stesso.

Chi è che è in grado di viaggiare nel tempo?


conoscevo questo ragazzo si chiamava bello figo

a scuola parlava poco e non pagava affitto

una mattina andavo in barca insieme a mamma

e ho visto bello figo scopare la fica bianca


#4 Vincent

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Inviato 30 January 2017 - 23:37

Il punto è che ai tempi di back cover, paradossalmente, tutti gli eventi fino a kh3 forse anche, erano già accaduti.

E qualcuno era sempre presente con quell'occhio, in modo da essere connesso col maestro, per questo ha scritto un libro di eventi che già conosceva (più che un libro delle profezie è storiografia), lo afferma lui stesso.

Chi è che è in grado di viaggiare nel tempo?

Se ti riferisci a Xehanort, lui può viaggiare nel tempo solo "ripercorrendo" la sua vita, non può andare né prima della sua nascita, né dopo la sua morte.



#5 DAGDA

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Inviato 31 January 2017 - 11:09

Se ti riferisci a Xehanort, lui può viaggiare nel tempo solo "ripercorrendo" la sua vita, non può andare né prima della sua nascita, né dopo la sua morte.


Parlare della morte di xehanort è stupido visto che quel tipo non è mai morto, la sua esistenza potrebbe in realtà essere recentissima inoltre.

conoscevo questo ragazzo si chiamava bello figo

a scuola parlava poco e non pagava affitto

una mattina andavo in barca insieme a mamma

e ho visto bello figo scopare la fica bianca


#6 Crown97

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Inviato 31 January 2017 - 20:47

Però se notate il via per l'alba di riku ho lo stesso occhio del keyblade di Xehanort 

 

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#7 DavidLink

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Inviato 31 January 2017 - 20:50

Però se notate il via per l'alba di riku ho lo stesso occhio del keyblade di Xehanort 

 

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Ora che me lo fai notare, anche gli altri Keyblade dei Veggenti.

 

Mi chiedo se sia una semplice coincidenza, o semplicemente se gli occhi dei Keyblade siano finti ad eccezione di quello del No Name, che è vero.


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#8 Crown97

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Inviato 31 January 2017 - 20:52

Ora che me lo fai notare, anche gli altri Keyblade dei Veggenti.

 

Mi chiedo se sia una semplice coincidenza, o semplicemente se gli occhi dei Keyblade siano finti ad eccezione di quello del No Name, che è vero.

Molto strana come cosa infatti ci pensavo giusto oggi...  :huh:  chissà xD


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#9 Tommy VIPs

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Inviato 01 February 2017 - 09:04

Ora che me lo fai notare, anche gli altri Keyblade dei Veggenti.

 

Mi chiedo se sia una semplice coincidenza, o semplicemente se gli occhi dei Keyblade siano finti ad eccezione di quello del No Name, che è vero.

I Keyblade dei Veggenti però ce l'hanno solo nel Keyholder, non sul Keyblade come quello di Xehanort e Via per l'Alba. 



#10 Vincent

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Inviato 01 February 2017 - 09:53

Parlare della morte di xehanort è stupido visto che quel tipo non è mai morto, la sua esistenza potrebbe in realtà essere recentissima inoltre.

Non intendevo dire che Xehanort è morto. Volevo dire che può percorrere solo la sua vita in tempi e luoghi dove era o sarà presente. Cosa intendi per recentissima?



#11 DAGDA

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Inviato 01 February 2017 - 22:16

Non intendevo dire che Xehanort è morto. Volevo dire che può percorrere solo la sua vita in tempi e luoghi dove era o sarà presente. Cosa intendi per recentissima?

Appunto, può praticamente dilatarsi in tutto il suo lifespan, che è indefinito visto che non si sa quando smetterà di esistere, né quando è nato, quindi potrebbe aver portato l'occhio ovunque.

E inoltre, ora mi hanno fatto notare ce ci sono altri occhi.


conoscevo questo ragazzo si chiamava bello figo

a scuola parlava poco e non pagava affitto

una mattina andavo in barca insieme a mamma

e ho visto bello figo scopare la fica bianca


#12 Vincent

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Inviato 02 February 2017 - 11:20

Appunto, può praticamente dilatarsi in tutto il suo lifespan, che è indefinito visto che non si sa quando smetterà di esistere, né quando è nato, quindi potrebbe aver portato l'occhio ovunque.

E inoltre, ora mi hanno fatto notare ce ci sono altri occhi.

Certo, ma gli unici (a parte quelli del giovane e vecchio Xehanort ovviamente) che sono effettivamente sui keyblade (e non sui portachiavi), sono Animafago/Via dell'Alba di Riku, Ingranaggio vuoto di Vanitas e Distruttore Caos di Terra. Ma dato che quelli "Canonici" sono i primi due, l'ultimo lo escluderei. Considerando che tutti hanno avuto a che fare con Xehanort direttamente, mi chiedo se non ci sia il suo zampino (e quindi per questo ha potuto pianificare la corruzione di Sora in 3D) e anticipare le loro mosse.



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Inviato 02 February 2017 - 16:06

Certo, ma gli unici (a parte quelli del giovane e vecchio Xehanort ovviamente) che sono effettivamente sui keyblade (e non sui portachiavi), sono Animafago/Via dell'Alba di Riku, Ingranaggio vuoto di Vanitas e Distruttore Caos di Terra. Ma dato che quelli "Canonici" sono i primi due, l'ultimo lo escluderei. Considerando che tutti hanno avuto a che fare con Xehanort direttamente, mi chiedo se non ci sia il suo zampino (e quindi per questo ha potuto pianificare la corruzione di Sora in 3D) e anticipare le loro mosse.

Scrivi in italiano, non ho voglia di tradurre.

Secondo, anche i keyblade dei maestri avevano l'occhio, ma di base credo che tutti gli eventi accaduti nei kh ai tempi del libro delle profezie erano in qualche modo già accaduti, come se la linea temporale fosse un punto fisso da cui il maestro ha attinto grazie ai vari possessori dell'occhio, per poi scrivere il libro.


conoscevo questo ragazzo si chiamava bello figo

a scuola parlava poco e non pagava affitto

una mattina andavo in barca insieme a mamma

e ho visto bello figo scopare la fica bianca


#14 Vincent

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Inviato 03 February 2017 - 07:07

Scrivi in italiano, non ho voglia di tradurre.

Secondo, anche i keyblade dei maestri avevano l'occhio, ma di base credo che tutti gli eventi accaduti nei kh ai tempi del libro delle profezie erano in qualche modo già accaduti, come se la linea temporale fosse un punto fisso da cui il maestro ha attinto grazie ai vari possessori dell'occhio, per poi scrivere il libro.

Può essere, ma riguardo gli occhi sui keyblade dei maestri, credo che non bisognerebbe considerarli, poichè non sono sui keyblade, ma sui portachiavi (io li escluderei, perchè, primo i portachiavi si possono sostituire, e dubito che metterei una "telecamera" se non sono certo di una sicura postazione, secondo quando MoM parla a Luxu, indica l'occhio sulla lama, non quello sul portachiavi) Io credo che gli occhi dei portachiavi siano solo per abbellimento (per adesso). Gli unici con l'occhio sul keyblade stesso sono Quelli di Xehanort (vecchio e giovane) e Via dell'Alba di Riku



#15 DAGDA

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Inviato 03 February 2017 - 12:41

Può essere, ma riguardo gli occhi sui keyblade dei maestri, credo che non bisognerebbe considerarli, poichè non sono sui keyblade, ma sui portachiavi (io li escluderei, perchè, primo i portachiavi si possono sostituire, e dubito che metterei una "telecamera" se non sono certo di una sicura postazione, secondo quando MoM parla a Luxu, indica l'occhio sulla lama, non quello sul portachiavi) Io credo che gli occhi dei portachiavi siano solo per abbellimento (per adesso). Gli unici con l'occhio sul keyblade stesso sono Quelli di Xehanort (vecchio e giovane) e Via dell'Alba di Riku

Sui.


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una mattina andavo in barca insieme a mamma

e ho visto bello figo scopare la fica bianca


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